Great Western Railway Dean LE4MW Coaches

Following on from the experimental set of coaches designed specifically for the London Metropolitan areas in 1884, in 1887 Dean went on to build 2 trains of a new style, Lewis style LE4MW. They featured the same style of doors with a round tops and kept to the same 8' 6¾" width. However, the roof was changed to a 3 arc shape which had just been introduced on one lot of saloon coaches and a lot of brake thirds. Instead of the tall windows right up to the cornice, the compartment windows had a 4" tall eaves panel above, which became unique to the metropolitain coaches and a couple of transitional styles. They also had gas lighting which was still unusual at the time as most other coaches had oil lights. Each 9 coach train was formed with a brake second, 2 second class coaches, 2 first class coaches, 3 third class coaches and a brake third. The first and second class coaches had 4 compartments whilst the third class coaches had 5 compartments. Both brake seconds and one of the brake thirds had 3 compartments and the other brake third had 4 passenger compartments. The coaches were all 26' long except the second class coaches which were 24' long. The designs were later given diagrams R4, S16, S18, T7, T8. The 4 compartment brake third did not receive a diagram. These trains initally ran on the Middle Circle service in London. Just a couple of months after these trains were delivered 6 more trains for the Middle Circle service were ordered and were completed over the following year. Four trains were built with one second class coach and 2 had none excep tthe brake second! I think that there must have been surplus second class S4s around to make up the required number of second class coaches in these trains. The brake coaches differed from the previous designs. Both only had 3 compartments and both had the double doors in the middle of the guard's compartment with a pair of wood panels eitherside. When diagrams were issued 20+ years later the brake second coaches were given diagram T9, but the brake thirds shared T8 with the earlier coaches. The first class coaches were also different to the previous design and were given diagram R5. The differences could only be distinguished by using a tape measure. There was ⅛" difference in compartment width between the designs! Later in 1889 a futher 4 trains were built with one second class coach, bringing the total up to:
	1 train formed	T7 (2nd), S16 x2, R4 x2, S18 x3, Brake Third
	1 train formed	T7 (2nd), S16 x2, R4 x2, S18 x3, T8 (3rd)
	2 trains formed	T9 (2nd), R5 x2, S18 x3, T8 (3rd)
	8 trains formed	T9 (2nd), S16, R5 x2, S18 x3, T8 (3rd)
There then was a 4 year break in building Metropolitan coaches until 1893 when 12 S18s were built to supplement the Middle Circle trains. The difference this time was that they were fitted out for second class passengers. 1893 also saw the introduction of a new design of brake coach which later became diagram T17. Two were built, one as a third class coach and the other as a second class coach, both coaches were 2' longer at 28' long and both coaches featured 5' wide compartments which had up until now been the standard third class width. At the same time 4 first class coaches, 3 second class coaches and a third were built and formed as Main Line and City No.7 Train. This made a rather odd formation:
	Main Line & City No.7	T17 (2nd), S18 (2nd) x 3, R5 x3, S18 (3rd), T17 (3rd)
however there is evidence to suggest that this set remained together until at least 1905 as they all recieved steam heating in December 1903 and Incandecent light fittings in June 1905. One of the seconds was converted to a third in December 1903 and appears to have remained in the set. Also ordered at the same time in 1893 and outshopped in December 1893 were 6 trains for the Hammersmith and City line. These trains were formed of 4 new designs. The first class coaches were like the previous R4 and R5 designs, but 1' shorter; these became diagram R3. Similarly the second and third class coaches were like the S18 but 1' shorter; these became diagram S17. There was a new 28' long composite coach with 2 first class and 3 third class compartments which became diagram U6 and a new brake coach with 5 compartments, secord or third class, and a small guard's compartment. The brake third class coaches became diagram T60 and the second class were T59. These were 31' long and had 4'9 wide compartments. These trains really had high density seating!
	Hammersmith & City	T59 (2nd), S17 (2nd) x2, R3, U6, S17 (3rd) x3, T60 (3rd)
A 7th Hammersmith and City train was ordered as an afterthought and was delivered in February 1894. Ordered at the same time was another train with the Middle Circle formation although its use is not recorded in the lot register.
	Middle Circle train ?	T9 (2nd), S18 (2nd) x2, R5 x2, S18 (3rd) x3, T8 (3rd)
It appears that this train stayed together until at least 1904 when 5 of the 9 coaches are recorded as Birmingham Local No.3. Any allocations for the other 4 coaches have been erased from the registers due to the numbers being reused. T59 or T60 at the head of a Metro rake, the second carriage is a non Metro S4 which occasionally appeared in these sets. West Drayton, West London, ca1925 © HL Salmon In 1895 another Middle Circle train was built, but this time it was formed with T17 and S18 so that it was the same formation as Main Line & City train No.7. Between 1895 and 1897 6 more Middle Circle trains were built, but they were formed with S17, T59, T60 and U6 so that they were the same as Hammersmith & City trains. In 1898 7 City Trains were built to the same formation. The final LE4MW coach built was 2695. It had suffered significant damage in an accident at Paddington and required a replacement body in 1898. This is the total list of coaches built as they were in their as built formations:
	1 trains	T7 (2nd), S16 (2nd) x2, S18 (2nd), R4 x2, S18 x3, Brake third	Built 1887
	1 trains	T7 (2nd), S16 (2nd) x2, S18 (2nd), R4 x2, S18 x3, T8 (3rd)	Built 1887
	2 trains	T9 (2nd), S18 (2nd), R5 x2, S18 x3, T8 (3rd)	Built 1889
	8 trains	T9 (2nd), S16 (2nd), S18 (2nd), R5 x2, S18 x3, T8 (3rd)	Built 1889
	1 train	T17 (2nd), S18 (2nd) x 2, R5 x3, S18 (3rd) x2, T17 (3rd)	Built 1893
	1 train	T9 (2nd), S18 (2nd) x2, R5 x2, S18 (3rd) x3, T8 (3rd)	Built 1894
	1 train	T17 (2nd), S18 (2nd) x 3, R5 x3, S18 (3rd), T17 (3rd)	Built 1895
	20 trains	T59 (2nd), S17 (2nd) x2, R3, U6, S17 (3rd) x3, T60 (3rd)	Built 1893 to 1898

Total number of LE4MW Coaches built:

R3 R4 R5 S16 S17 S18 T7 T8 T9 Brake Third -
No diagram T17 T59 T60 U6 Total

20 4 28 12 100 61 2 12 11 1 4 20 20 20 315

The Middle Circle services ended in 1905 when the GWR decided to stop the service. In 1906 the Hammersmith & City service was converted to electric. By 1910 there was only a requirement for 18 trains, which all operated the Main Line & City route from Reading and Windsor into the City of London:

5 trains T59 (ex2nd), S17 (ex2nd) x2, R5 x3, S17 (3rd) x3, T60 +2 spares

3 trains T59 (ex2nd), S17 (ex2nd) x2, R5 x3, S17 (3rd) x2, T60

8 trains T59 (ex2nd), S17 (ex2nd), U6, R3, R3, U6, S17 (3rd) x3, T60

In the above table I've assumed the most recent coaches were retained in London. I don't know which type of first class coaches were used in which formation. The remaining unrequired coaches, effectively the first 14 trains built minus their first class coaches, were dispersed around the GWR system.

T5 and S16 at the head of a Metro rake at Wood End, Warks, ca1924. R.Spratt collection
However, these were not the first of the Metro coaches to leave London. As early as 1896 the first sets were being replaced by the new higher capacity sets. In 1896 some of the coaches of the second set to be built were recorded as being part of Birmingham Local No.4 and in 1897 the first train was similarly recorded as being Birmingham Local No.1. As sets left London three things happened to them; the second class compartments were converted to third class, the sets were shortened - usually to 7 or 8 coaches, some of the brake coaches had the van area increased by converting the adjacent compartment and a couple of S18s were converted to brake thirds. Over the years there were numerous other conversions which mainly relate to changes of class, all of which are listed below.
One interesting conversion is that a set was converted to electric lighting in 1904. The coaches included T6 no.437, S18 nos.178 & 545, R4 no.171, S16 no.32 & 37, T8 no.2671. Most of which are probably in the photo below.

T6, S18, S16, R4, S16, S18, brake third. Stourbridge Junction, West Midlands, ca1924 © L&GRP 17559
In 1920 the remaining London sets started to be displaced by the arrival of new toplight sets. With the last Metro set ceasing to be needed by 1926.

Dimensions

LE4MW

Width over cornices 9' ¼

Width over body at waist 8' 6¾

Width over handles 9' 0⅛

Height to gutters 9' 11½

Height to top of roof 11' 2¼

Height over gas lights 12' 1⅞ - Original
11' 10¼ - Gas Incandecent

Note: After 1907 first class coaches had 8000 added to their numbers, composites had 6000 added to their numbers and seconds had 5000 added to their numbers.

Diagram Dimensions
Length x Width
Wheelbase No. Built Numbers
Conversions Scrapping Dates

R3
4 compartment first
4 wheels
25' x 8'6
16' 6 built in 1893
1 built in 1894
4 built in 1896 in 2 batches
5 built in 1897 in 2 batches
2 built in 1898
2 built in 1899
118 to 123
117
9, 10
50, 51
52, 53
133, 138, 139
140, 141
142, 143

R Spratt collection

JN Slinn collection
8051, 8053, 8142 to Workmen's Third in 1932, 1933, 1932 respectively
118, 120, 122, 133, 140 to U1 all in 1907
8117 - 1931
8010, 8119, 8123, 8138, 8139, 8143 - 1932
8121 - 1933
8050, 8052 - 1934
8009, 8141 - 1938

R4
4 compartment first
4 wheels
26' x 8'6
17' 4 built 1887 170, 171, 173, 174

JN Slinn collection
173 and 174 to composites U2 in 1897. 8170 - 1932
8171 - 1933

R5
4 compartment first
4 wheels
26' x 8'6
17'
cf R4 minor differences in
compartment spacings 12 built in 1888
4 in 1889
4 in 1889
3 built in 1893
2 built in 1894
3 built in 1895
12, 25, 62, 63, 65, 68, 70-72, 129, 132, 137
124, 134, 259, 285
128, 270, 271, 278
28 - 30
115, 116
31 - 33

R Spratt collection

JN Slinn collection
136 (ex 285) to third Third in 1898
12, 25, 33, 62, 63, 65, 68, 70, 72, 115, 116, 127 (ex 278), 128, 129, 132, 134, 135 (ex 259), 137, 271 to composites U2 in 1896 - 1899, except 33 in 1907
8124, 8028 to 8030 to Workmen's Third in 1931 & 1933
8071 - 1932
8131 (ex 270) - 1933
8031, 8032 - 1936

S16
4 compartment second
later converted to third class

4 wheels
24' x 8'6"
15' 4 built in 1887
8 built in 1889 in 3 lots
Second class numbers:
9, 11, 32, 35
14 to 17
19, 21
36, 39

Final Third class numbers:
186, 198, 205, 269
270, 277, 278, 1455
193, 1449
197, 412

courtesy of John Lewis

JN Slinn collection
Renumbering
To composites
412 - 1931
193, 269, 278, 1449, 1455 - 1932
186, 197, 270 - 1933
198, 205 - 1935

S17
5 compartment second or third
4 wheels
25' x 8'6"
16' Built as Second Class:
12 in 1893
2 in 1894
4 in 1896
4 in 1896
4 in 1897
6 in 1897/8
4 in 1898
4 in 1898
54 to 65
73, 74
85 to 88
93 to 96
97 to 100
106 to 111
112 to 115
120 to 123
Third Class Numbers

JN Slinn collection

R Spratt collection

JN Slinn collection
252 sent to R&SB in 1920 and renumbered 4156 when it returned in 1924
2759 was converted to Wireless Van no. 40572
2773 was converted to M&T Van no. 173
T3
T2
Dates

Built as Third Class:
18 in 1893
3 in 1894
6 in 1896
6 in 1896
6 in 1897
9 in 1897/8
6 in 1898
6 in 1898
2711 to 2728
2729 to 2731
2777 to 2782
2783 to 2788
2789 to 2794
303, 304, 311, 2795 to 2800
319, 321, 325, 327, 328, 333
340, 341, 343 to 345, 347
343 & 2787 sent to R&SB in 1920 and renumbered 4158 & 4198 when they returned in 1924
327, 340, 2712, 2719, 2723, 2724, 2791, 2792, 2798 to T4
2716, 2726, 2799, 2800 to T1
2789 - 1903
2725 - 1929
2720, 2731 - 1930
311, 2722 - 1931
344, 2714, 2727, 2782, 4158, 4198 - 1932
2711, 2785 - 1933
2717, 2788 - 1934
2715 - 1936
2713, 2729, 2730, 2784, 2786 - 1938
2721, 2781 - 1939
2797 - 1940
2790 - 1944
2718, 2777 - 1945
2793, 2794 - 1948
2728 - 1949
2796 - 1952

S18
5 compartment second or third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
16' Built as Second Class:
3 in 1893
12 in 1894
2 in 1894
3 in 1895
41 to 43
45 to 53, 75 to 77
78, 79
82 to 84
Third Class Numbers

JN Slinn collection

© HMRS S90

JN Slinn collection
316 to 3 compt bk 3rd - T8
To workmans's: 79, 285, 459, 2749
To workman's with brake handle fitted in place of 1 seat: 285 - painted brown in 1934 & 1941
489 was sold to Tredegar iron & Coal Co. in 1925
Dates

Built as Third Class:
6 in 1887
18 in 1888
6 in 1889
6 in 1889
1 in 1893
3 in 1894
1 in 1895
210, 235, 445, 520, 710, 755
178, 295, 421, 536, 545, 787, 791, 792, 1049, 1271, 1313, 1321, 1327, 1334, 1348, 1365, 1669, 1670
426, 467, 909, 1033, 1196, 1197
25, 272, 391, 448, 797, 995
302
2732 to 2734
323
295, 791 to T5
710, 787, 792, 1049, 1334 to T8
Renumbering: 1669 to 2755, 1670 to 2756 - both in 1895
To workmens's: 323, 545, 797, 1033, 1348, 2734, 2756
To workman's with brake handle fitted in place of 1 seat: 2732
235 - 1901
1033 - 1930
25, 272, 391, 467, 995, 1196 - 1931
210, 421, 426, 520, 536, 909, 1197, 1271, 1321, 1327, 1348, 1365, 2732, 2734 - 1932
178, 323, 448, 2755, 2756 - 1933
755 - 1934
445, 545 - 1935
797, 2733 - 1936
302 - 1937
1313 - 1950

S19
5 compartment third (later conversion workmen's thirds
4 wheels
28' x 8'6"
19' 1 converted from U6 in 1902
6 converted from U6 in 1933 to 1938
339
693, 697, 717, 733, 734, 740, 745

© HMRS ABG223
U6 9998 was first converted to a camping coach and then used in departmental use
None 339 - 1929
697 - 1936
717, 745 - 1938
693 - 1939
733 - 1940
734 - 1943
740 - 1945

T1
2 compartment brake third
4 wheels
25' x 8'6"
16' Converted from S17 2716, 2719, 2723, 2726, 2791, 2798, 2799, 2800
2723 - 1936
2716 - 1938
2719 - 1939
2719 - 1940
2799, 2800 - 1949

T2
2 compartment brake third
(originally built as all second class)
4 wheels
1662, 1668, 1669, 1670 1668 - 1932
1669, 1670 - 1935

T3
3 compartment brake third
(originally built as all second class)
4 wheels
25' x 8'6"
16' Converted from S17 1667

T4
3 compartment brake third
4 wheels
327, 340, 2712, 2714, 2792 2712 - 1934
2724 - 1935

T5
2 compartment brake third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
17' 10 converted from T8 54, 155, 387, 399, 777, 1200, 2628, 2671, 2672 399, 1200 - 1931
54, 155, 777 - 1932
387, 2672 - 1933
2671 - 1937
2628 - 1938

2 converted from S18 276, 791 295, 791 - 1935

T6
2 compartment brake third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
17' 1 converted from T7
7 converted from T9
All between 1896 and 1912
273
226, 229, 262, 276, 296, 437, 488

JN Slinn collection
Note that the drawing is based upon just the first built coach that was converted from T7 (no.273). All the others retained panels around the double doors like T9.

T6 No.427 (probably) fitted with electric lighting at Stourbridge Junction in 1924 © LGRP 17559
437 to brake workman's in early 1930s 276 - 1931
229, 262, 273 - 1932
226 - 1933
296 - 1936
437 - 1937
488 - 1938

T7
3 compartment brake second
later brake third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
17' 2 built in 1889 28, 31
JN Slinn collection BS ==> BT
28 ==> 309 - 1897
31 converted to T6 in 1896
309 - 1936

lot 396c
4 compartment brake third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
17' 1 built in 1887 704
JN Slinn collection 704 converted to T8

T8
3 compartment brake third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
17' 6 built in 1888
2 built in 1889
2 built in 1889
1 built in 1894
54, 800, 1043, 1370, 1671, 1672
155, 1200
387, 399
2628

JN Slinn collection 1671/2 were renumbered to 2671/2 in 1895
54, 155, 387, 399, 1200, 2628, 2671, 2672 converted to T5
1043 - 1910
1370 - 1932
800 - 1934

1 built in 1887
6 converted from S18 around 1898
1 converted from lot 396c
777
316, 710, 787, 792, 1049, 1334
704

JN Slinn collection
Note I'm not convinced by the accuracy of this drawing as it shows that the van space has been converted from a compartment. The only coach built on lot 396 with 4 compartments was never allocated a diagram number, whilst the other brake coach built on this lot had 3 compartments and I suspect was not built with a psuedo door as shown, but with proper panels.
But I do believe that this drawing actually correct for all the T8s that were converted from S18.
The conversion is half way between a proper conversion and a bastard conversion in that the windows have been removed and replace with wooden panels, yet the door window and ventillator remain.
777 converted to T5
316 was noted as being painted brown in 9/1933
787 - 1930
792 - 1931
704, 710 - 1932
1334 - 1935
316, 1049 - 1937

T9
3 compartment brake second
later brake third
4 wheels
26' x 8'6"
17' 6 built in 1888
2 built in 1889
2 built in 1889
1 built in 1894
12, 24, 26, 27, 29, 38
30, 33
37, 40
80

JN Slinn collection

T9 probably in the Birmingham area, ca1905-10 © Lens of sutton 8905
BS ==> BT
12 ==> 457 - 1899
24 ==> 437 - 1898
26 ==> 226 - 1897
27 ==> 228 - 1898
29 ==> 286 - 1898
30 ==> 296 - 1898
33 ==> 262 - 1898
38 ==> 239 - 1897
37, 40, 80, 226, 262, 296, 437 converted to T6 between 1896 and 1912
286 to brake workman's in early 1930s
457 - 1932
286 - 1933
228 - 1937
239 - 1940

T15
3 compartment brake third
28' x 8'6"
19' 2 converted from T17 301, 322
Conversion from T17 to T15 involved expanding the
guards/luggage area by including the adjacent
compartment. The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.

courtesy of John Lewis

T16
3 compartment brake second
1 converted from T17 5081
Conversion from T17 to T16 involved expanding the
guards/luggage area by including the adjacent
compartment. The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred. Renumbered to 1672 in 1907 and allocated to the Bala And Blaineau Train 1672 - 1940

T17
4 compartment brake second/third
28' x 8'6"
19' Brake seconds
1 built in 1893
1 built in 1895

Brake thirds
1 built in 1893
1 built in 1895
44
81
301
322

JN Slinn collection

JN Slinn collection
301 & 322 to T15
81 to T16
352 (ex 5044) - 1916

T54
3 compartment brake third
31' x 8'6"
19' 1 converted from T59 312
Conversion involved expanding the guards area by including the two adjacent compartments. The compartment doors were locked shut, handles removed and windows barred to make a luggage area.

T55
3 compartment brake third/second
with 48 seats
(presumably 18 seats in the luggage area?)
11 converted from T59 2nd class no.-> 3rd class no.
66 -> 794,
71 -> 1671,
102 -> 2611,
103 -> 892,
104 -> 924,
105 -> 2667
313, 2621, 2626, 2699, 2700
2699 converted to 179 Wagon Repairers & Examiners Cabin 2626 - 1932
2700 - 1933
1671 - 1934
794 - 1935
892, 2621 - 1938
2667 - 1939
2611 - 1940

T56
3 compartment brake third/second
with 3 seats in the guards luggage area
2 converted from T59 in 1906 116 -> 338, 2698 2698 - 1948

T57
4 compartment brake third
with 11 seats in the guards luggage area
11 converted from T59 317, 334, 337, 2622, 2624, 2625, 2627, 2693, 2694, 2695, 2696
Conversion involved expanding the guards area by including the adjacent compartment. The compartment door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred to make a luggage area.

JN Slinn collection
2622, 2696 - 1932
2624, 2625, 2695 - 1936
2627, 2694 - 1937
2693 - 1938

T58
4 compartment brake third/second
with 8 seats in the guards luggage area
4 converted from T59 115, 253, 628, 694

T59
5 compartment brake third
6 built in 1893
1 built in 1894
4 built in 1896 in 2 batches
2 built in 1897
7 built in 1898 in 3 batches
2621 to 2626
2627
2693, 2694
2695, 2596
2697, 2698
313, 2699, 2700
312, 317
334, 337

Right hand side

Left hand side

JN Slinn collection
The chassis of 2695 was given a new body in 1898 after an accident at Paddington
312 to 3 compartment brake third T54
66, 71, 102, 103, 104, 105, 313, 2621, 2626, 2699, 2700 to 3 compartment brake third T55
116, 2698 to 3 compartment brake third T56
317, 334, 337, 2622, 2624, 2625, 2627, 2693, 2694, 2695, 2696 to 4 compartment brake third T57
115, 253, 628, 694 to 4 compartment brake third T58
69, 70, 72, 89 to 92 to 5 compartment brake third T60
2697 - 1903
2623 - 1932

T59
5 compartment brake second
later converted to third class
6 built in 1893
1 built in 1894
4 built in 1896 in 2 batches
2 built in 1897
7 built in 1898 in 3 batches
66 to 71
72
89, 90
91, 92
101, 102
103 to 105
116, 117
118, 119
Third Class Numbers

T60
5 compartment brake third
with 8 extra seats in the guards luggage area
7 converted from T59 between 1901 & 1912 69 -> 364,
70 -> 365,
72 -> 366,
89 -> 367,
90 -> 369,
91 - 423,
92 -> 373 366 converted to Tool Van 43968 364, 365 - 1932
423 - 1934

ex R3 &
ex U1
no diagram number
4 compartment workmen's third
25' x 8'6
16' 3 converted from R3
in 1932 & 1933
3 converted from U1
in 1932, 1933 & 1936
688, 698, 702, 707, 714, 718
R Spratt collection
707 converted in 1940 to Pilot Van 74 and used in the Lydney breakdown train - see adjacent photograph 714 - 1935
718 - 1936
698, 702 - 1938
688 - 1949

ex R5
no diagram number
4 compartment third
26' x 8'6
17' 1 converted from R5 in 1898 2354 U2 in 1898

ex R5 &
ex U2
no diagram number
4 compartment workmen's third
26' x 8'6
17' 4 converted from R5
4 converted from U2
600, 607, 620, 662, 687, 709, 710, 712 None 600 - 1931
620 - 1932
709, 710, 712 - 1933
607, 662 - 1934
687 - 1936

U1 25' x 8'6
16' 5 converted from R3 110 to 112, 114, 116
R Spratt collection

Compartments 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd

JN Slinn collection
6112, 6113, 6116 to Workmen's Third in 1933(x2) and 1936 respectively 6110 - 1932
6111 - 1935

U2 26' x 8'6
17' 2 converted from R4 in 1897
18 converted from R5 between 1896 and 1899
1 converted from Third in 1889
6, 7
1, 10, 53, 57, 133, 139 to 142, 169, 173, 189, 195, 291, 303, 305, 309, 312, 313
143

JN Slinn collection
6001, 6057, 6141, 6133 to Workmen's Third in 1930 to 1932 6142 - 1930
6303, 6313 - 1931
6140, 6143,
6169, 6173, 6312 - 1932
6007, 6010, 6053 - 1934
6006, 6305, 6309 - 1935
6291 - 1936
6139, 6189, 6195 - 1938

U6
5 compartment composite
Built with 2x 1st and 3x 3rd compartments
4 wheels
28' x 8'6"
19' 6 built in 1893
1 built in 1894
4 built in 1896 in 2 batches
5 built in 1897 in 2 batches
4 built in 1898 in 2 batches
1811 to 1816
1817
1878, 1879
1882, 1883
1884, 1885
1886 to 1888
1889, 1890
1891, 1892

© R Holmes R0158
7885 was first converted to a camping coach 9998 and then used in departmental use

JN Slinn collection
1812 to S19 in 1902
7878, 7879, 7882, 7883, 7886, 7887, 7889 to Workmen's Thirds in 1932 to 1937
7885 to Camping Coach 9998 in 1931
7891 - 1931
7815, 7884, 7888, 7892 - 1932
7816 - 1933
7890 - 1934
7811, 7814 - 1936
7813, 7817 - 1937

ex S16
4 compartment composite

4 wheels
24' x 8'6"
15' 2 converted briefly from S16 in 1910 6197 & 6224
2x 2nd class compartments & 2x 3rd class compartments
S16 None

Diagram	Dimensions Length x Width Wheelbase	No. Built	Numbers		Conversions	Scrapping Dates
R3 4 compartment first 4 wheels	25' x 8'6 16'	6 built in 1893 1 built in 1894 4 built in 1896 in 2 batches 5 built in 1897 in 2 batches 2 built in 1898 2 built in 1899	118 to 123 117 9, 10 50, 51 52, 53 133, 138, 139 140, 141 142, 143	R Spratt collection JN Slinn collection	8051, 8053, 8142 to Workmen's Third in 1932, 1933, 1932 respectively 118, 120, 122, 133, 140 to U1 all in 1907	8117 - 1931 8010, 8119, 8123, 8138, 8139, 8143 - 1932 8121 - 1933 8050, 8052 - 1934 8009, 8141 - 1938
R4 4 compartment first 4 wheels	26' x 8'6 17'	4 built 1887	170, 171, 173, 174	JN Slinn collection	173 and 174 to composites U2 in 1897.	8170 - 1932 8171 - 1933
R5 4 compartment first 4 wheels	26' x 8'6 17' cf R4 minor differences in compartment spacings	12 built in 1888 4 in 1889 4 in 1889 3 built in 1893 2 built in 1894 3 built in 1895	12, 25, 62, 63, 65, 68, 70-72, 129, 132, 137 124, 134, 259, 285 128, 270, 271, 278 28 - 30 115, 116 31 - 33	R Spratt collection JN Slinn collection	136 (ex 285) to third Third in 1898 12, 25, 33, 62, 63, 65, 68, 70, 72, 115, 116, 127 (ex 278), 128, 129, 132, 134, 135 (ex 259), 137, 271 to composites U2 in 1896 - 1899, except 33 in 1907 8124, 8028 to 8030 to Workmen's Third in 1931 & 1933	8071 - 1932 8131 (ex 270) - 1933 8031, 8032 - 1936
S16 4 compartment second later converted to third class 4 wheels	24' x 8'6" 15'	4 built in 1887 8 built in 1889 in 3 lots	Second class numbers: 9, 11, 32, 35 14 to 17 19, 21 36, 39 Final Third class numbers: 186, 198, 205, 269 270, 277, 278, 1455 193, 1449 197, 412	courtesy of John Lewis JN Slinn collection	Renumbering To composites	412 - 1931 193, 269, 278, 1449, 1455 - 1932 186, 197, 270 - 1933 198, 205 - 1935
S17 5 compartment second or third 4 wheels	25' x 8'6" 16'	Built as Second Class: 12 in 1893 2 in 1894 4 in 1896 4 in 1896 4 in 1897 6 in 1897/8 4 in 1898 4 in 1898	54 to 65 73, 74 85 to 88 93 to 96 97 to 100 106 to 111 112 to 115 120 to 123 Third Class Numbers	JN Slinn collection R Spratt collection JN Slinn collection	252 sent to R&SB in 1920 and renumbered 4156 when it returned in 1924 2759 was converted to Wireless Van no. 40572 2773 was converted to M&T Van no. 173 T3 T2	Dates
Built as Third Class: 18 in 1893 3 in 1894 6 in 1896 6 in 1896 6 in 1897 9 in 1897/8 6 in 1898 6 in 1898	2711 to 2728 2729 to 2731 2777 to 2782 2783 to 2788 2789 to 2794 303, 304, 311, 2795 to 2800 319, 321, 325, 327, 328, 333 340, 341, 343 to 345, 347	343 & 2787 sent to R&SB in 1920 and renumbered 4158 & 4198 when they returned in 1924 327, 340, 2712, 2719, 2723, 2724, 2791, 2792, 2798 to T4 2716, 2726, 2799, 2800 to T1	2789 - 1903 2725 - 1929 2720, 2731 - 1930 311, 2722 - 1931 344, 2714, 2727, 2782, 4158, 4198 - 1932 2711, 2785 - 1933 2717, 2788 - 1934 2715 - 1936 2713, 2729, 2730, 2784, 2786 - 1938 2721, 2781 - 1939 2797 - 1940 2790 - 1944 2718, 2777 - 1945 2793, 2794 - 1948 2728 - 1949 2796 - 1952
S18 5 compartment second or third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 16'	Built as Second Class: 3 in 1893 12 in 1894 2 in 1894 3 in 1895	41 to 43 45 to 53, 75 to 77 78, 79 82 to 84 Third Class Numbers	JN Slinn collection © HMRS S90 JN Slinn collection	316 to 3 compt bk 3rd - T8 To workmans's: 79, 285, 459, 2749 To workman's with brake handle fitted in place of 1 seat: 285 - painted brown in 1934 & 1941 489 was sold to Tredegar iron & Coal Co. in 1925	Dates
Built as Third Class: 6 in 1887 18 in 1888 6 in 1889 6 in 1889 1 in 1893 3 in 1894 1 in 1895	210, 235, 445, 520, 710, 755 178, 295, 421, 536, 545, 787, 791, 792, 1049, 1271, 1313, 1321, 1327, 1334, 1348, 1365, 1669, 1670 426, 467, 909, 1033, 1196, 1197 25, 272, 391, 448, 797, 995 302 2732 to 2734 323	295, 791 to T5 710, 787, 792, 1049, 1334 to T8 Renumbering: 1669 to 2755, 1670 to 2756 - both in 1895 To workmens's: 323, 545, 797, 1033, 1348, 2734, 2756 To workman's with brake handle fitted in place of 1 seat: 2732	235 - 1901 1033 - 1930 25, 272, 391, 467, 995, 1196 - 1931 210, 421, 426, 520, 536, 909, 1197, 1271, 1321, 1327, 1348, 1365, 2732, 2734 - 1932 178, 323, 448, 2755, 2756 - 1933 755 - 1934 445, 545 - 1935 797, 2733 - 1936 302 - 1937 1313 - 1950
S19 5 compartment third (later conversion workmen's thirds 4 wheels	28' x 8'6" 19'	1 converted from U6 in 1902 6 converted from U6 in 1933 to 1938	339 693, 697, 717, 733, 734, 740, 745	© HMRS ABG223 U6 9998 was first converted to a camping coach and then used in departmental use	None	339 - 1929 697 - 1936 717, 745 - 1938 693 - 1939 733 - 1940 734 - 1943 740 - 1945
T1 2 compartment brake third 4 wheels	25' x 8'6" 16'	Converted from S17	2716, 2719, 2723, 2726, 2791, 2798, 2799, 2800			2723 - 1936 2716 - 1938 2719 - 1939 2719 - 1940 2799, 2800 - 1949
T2 2 compartment brake third (originally built as all second class) 4 wheels	1662, 1668, 1669, 1670		1668 - 1932 1669, 1670 - 1935
T3 3 compartment brake third (originally built as all second class) 4 wheels	25' x 8'6" 16'	Converted from S17	1667
T4 3 compartment brake third 4 wheels	327, 340, 2712, 2714, 2792		2712 - 1934 2724 - 1935
T5 2 compartment brake third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 17'	10 converted from T8	54, 155, 387, 399, 777, 1200, 2628, 2671, 2672			399, 1200 - 1931 54, 155, 777 - 1932 387, 2672 - 1933 2671 - 1937 2628 - 1938
2 converted from S18	276, 791			295, 791 - 1935
T6 2 compartment brake third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 17'	1 converted from T7 7 converted from T9 All between 1896 and 1912	273 226, 229, 262, 276, 296, 437, 488	JN Slinn collection Note that the drawing is based upon just the first built coach that was converted from T7 (no.273). All the others retained panels around the double doors like T9. T6 No.427 (probably) fitted with electric lighting at Stourbridge Junction in 1924 © LGRP 17559	437 to brake workman's in early 1930s	276 - 1931 229, 262, 273 - 1932 226 - 1933 296 - 1936 437 - 1937 488 - 1938
T7 3 compartment brake second later brake third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 17'	2 built in 1889	28, 31	JN Slinn collection	BS ==> BT 28 ==> 309 - 1897 31 converted to T6 in 1896	309 - 1936
lot 396c 4 compartment brake third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 17'	1 built in 1887	704	JN Slinn collection	704 converted to T8
T8 3 compartment brake third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 17'	6 built in 1888 2 built in 1889 2 built in 1889 1 built in 1894	54, 800, 1043, 1370, 1671, 1672 155, 1200 387, 399 2628	JN Slinn collection	1671/2 were renumbered to 2671/2 in 1895 54, 155, 387, 399, 1200, 2628, 2671, 2672 converted to T5	1043 - 1910 1370 - 1932 800 - 1934
1 built in 1887 6 converted from S18 around 1898 1 converted from lot 396c	777 316, 710, 787, 792, 1049, 1334 704	JN Slinn collection Note I'm not convinced by the accuracy of this drawing as it shows that the van space has been converted from a compartment. The only coach built on lot 396 with 4 compartments was never allocated a diagram number, whilst the other brake coach built on this lot had 3 compartments and I suspect was not built with a psuedo door as shown, but with proper panels. But I do believe that this drawing actually correct for all the T8s that were converted from S18. The conversion is half way between a proper conversion and a bastard conversion in that the windows have been removed and replace with wooden panels, yet the door window and ventillator remain.	777 converted to T5 316 was noted as being painted brown in 9/1933	787 - 1930 792 - 1931 704, 710 - 1932 1334 - 1935 316, 1049 - 1937
T9 3 compartment brake second later brake third 4 wheels	26' x 8'6" 17'	6 built in 1888 2 built in 1889 2 built in 1889 1 built in 1894	12, 24, 26, 27, 29, 38 30, 33 37, 40 80	JN Slinn collection T9 probably in the Birmingham area, ca1905-10 © Lens of sutton 8905	BS ==> BT 12 ==> 457 - 1899 24 ==> 437 - 1898 26 ==> 226 - 1897 27 ==> 228 - 1898 29 ==> 286 - 1898 30 ==> 296 - 1898 33 ==> 262 - 1898 38 ==> 239 - 1897 37, 40, 80, 226, 262, 296, 437 converted to T6 between 1896 and 1912 286 to brake workman's in early 1930s	457 - 1932 286 - 1933 228 - 1937 239 - 1940
T15 3 compartment brake third	28' x 8'6" 19'	2 converted from T17	301, 322	Conversion from T17 to T15 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent compartment. The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred. courtesy of John Lewis
T16 3 compartment brake second	1 converted from T17	5081	Conversion from T17 to T16 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent compartment. The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.	Renumbered to 1672 in 1907 and allocated to the Bala And Blaineau Train	1672 - 1940
T17 4 compartment brake second/third	28' x 8'6" 19'	Brake seconds 1 built in 1893 1 built in 1895 Brake thirds 1 built in 1893 1 built in 1895	44 81 301 322	JN Slinn collection JN Slinn collection	301 & 322 to T15 81 to T16	352 (ex 5044) - 1916
T54 3 compartment brake third	31' x 8'6" 19'	1 converted from T59	312	Conversion involved expanding the guards area by including the two adjacent compartments. The compartment doors were locked shut, handles removed and windows barred to make a luggage area.
T55 3 compartment brake third/second with 48 seats (presumably 18 seats in the luggage area?)	11 converted from T59	2nd class no.-> 3rd class no. 66 -> 794, 71 -> 1671, 102 -> 2611, 103 -> 892, 104 -> 924, 105 -> 2667 313, 2621, 2626, 2699, 2700	2699 converted to 179 Wagon Repairers & Examiners Cabin	2626 - 1932 2700 - 1933 1671 - 1934 794 - 1935 892, 2621 - 1938 2667 - 1939 2611 - 1940
T56 3 compartment brake third/second with 3 seats in the guards luggage area	2 converted from T59 in 1906	116 -> 338, 2698		2698 - 1948
T57 4 compartment brake third with 11 seats in the guards luggage area	11 converted from T59	317, 334, 337, 2622, 2624, 2625, 2627, 2693, 2694, 2695, 2696	Conversion involved expanding the guards area by including the adjacent compartment. The compartment door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred to make a luggage area. JN Slinn collection		2622, 2696 - 1932 2624, 2625, 2695 - 1936 2627, 2694 - 1937 2693 - 1938
T58 4 compartment brake third/second with 8 seats in the guards luggage area	4 converted from T59	115, 253, 628, 694
T59 5 compartment brake third	6 built in 1893 1 built in 1894 4 built in 1896 in 2 batches 2 built in 1897 7 built in 1898 in 3 batches	2621 to 2626 2627 2693, 2694 2695, 2596 2697, 2698 313, 2699, 2700 312, 317 334, 337	Right hand side Left hand side JN Slinn collection	The chassis of 2695 was given a new body in 1898 after an accident at Paddington 312 to 3 compartment brake third T54 66, 71, 102, 103, 104, 105, 313, 2621, 2626, 2699, 2700 to 3 compartment brake third T55 116, 2698 to 3 compartment brake third T56 317, 334, 337, 2622, 2624, 2625, 2627, 2693, 2694, 2695, 2696 to 4 compartment brake third T57 115, 253, 628, 694 to 4 compartment brake third T58 69, 70, 72, 89 to 92 to 5 compartment brake third T60	2697 - 1903 2623 - 1932
T59 5 compartment brake second later converted to third class	6 built in 1893 1 built in 1894 4 built in 1896 in 2 batches 2 built in 1897 7 built in 1898 in 3 batches	66 to 71 72 89, 90 91, 92 101, 102 103 to 105 116, 117 118, 119 Third Class Numbers
T60 5 compartment brake third with 8 extra seats in the guards luggage area	7 converted from T59 between 1901 & 1912	69 -> 364, 70 -> 365, 72 -> 366, 89 -> 367, 90 -> 369, 91 - 423, 92 -> 373		366 converted to Tool Van 43968	364, 365 - 1932 423 - 1934
ex R3 & ex U1 no diagram number 4 compartment workmen's third	25' x 8'6 16'	3 converted from R3 in 1932 & 1933 3 converted from U1 in 1932, 1933 & 1936	688, 698, 702, 707, 714, 718	R Spratt collection	707 converted in 1940 to Pilot Van 74 and used in the Lydney breakdown train - see adjacent photograph	714 - 1935 718 - 1936 698, 702 - 1938 688 - 1949
ex R5 no diagram number 4 compartment third	26' x 8'6 17'	1 converted from R5 in 1898	2354		U2 in 1898
ex R5 & ex U2 no diagram number 4 compartment workmen's third	26' x 8'6 17'	4 converted from R5 4 converted from U2	600, 607, 620, 662, 687, 709, 710, 712		None	600 - 1931 620 - 1932 709, 710, 712 - 1933 607, 662 - 1934 687 - 1936
U1	25' x 8'6 16'	5 converted from R3	110 to 112, 114, 116	R Spratt collection Compartments 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd JN Slinn collection	6112, 6113, 6116 to Workmen's Third in 1933(x2) and 1936 respectively	6110 - 1932 6111 - 1935
U2	26' x 8'6 17'	2 converted from R4 in 1897 18 converted from R5 between 1896 and 1899 1 converted from Third in 1889	6, 7 1, 10, 53, 57, 133, 139 to 142, 169, 173, 189, 195, 291, 303, 305, 309, 312, 313 143	JN Slinn collection	6001, 6057, 6141, 6133 to Workmen's Third in 1930 to 1932	6142 - 1930 6303, 6313 - 1931 6140, 6143, 6169, 6173, 6312 - 1932 6007, 6010, 6053 - 1934 6006, 6305, 6309 - 1935 6291 - 1936 6139, 6189, 6195 - 1938
U6 5 compartment composite Built with 2x 1st and 3x 3rd compartments 4 wheels	28' x 8'6" 19'	6 built in 1893 1 built in 1894 4 built in 1896 in 2 batches 5 built in 1897 in 2 batches 4 built in 1898 in 2 batches	1811 to 1816 1817 1878, 1879 1882, 1883 1884, 1885 1886 to 1888 1889, 1890 1891, 1892	© R Holmes R0158 7885 was first converted to a camping coach 9998 and then used in departmental use JN Slinn collection	1812 to S19 in 1902 7878, 7879, 7882, 7883, 7886, 7887, 7889 to Workmen's Thirds in 1932 to 1937 7885 to Camping Coach 9998 in 1931	7891 - 1931 7815, 7884, 7888, 7892 - 1932 7816 - 1933 7890 - 1934 7811, 7814 - 1936 7813, 7817 - 1937
ex S16 4 compartment composite 4 wheels	24' x 8'6" 15'	2 converted briefly from S16 in 1910	6197 & 6224	2x 2nd class compartments & 2x 3rd class compartments	S16	None

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